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The Habit Podcast: JJ & Dave Heller

The Habit Podcast is a series of conversations with writers about writing, hosted by Jonathan Rogers. This week, Jonathan Rogers talks with songwriting duo JJ & Dave Heller.

JJ Heller writes lullabies with her husband Dave and sings them for children, their parents, and the children inside the parents. Since 2017, the Hellers have released a new song on Spotify the first Friday of every month. One of those songs, “Hand to Hold,” grew into a picture book by the same title, released a couple of weeks ago. In this episode, JJ and Dave talk with Jonathan Rogers about bedtime liturgies and the work of giving language to parents’ deepest hopes for their children.

Transcripts are now available for The Habit Podcast. Click here to access them.

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