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The Habit Podcast: Crystal Downing

The Habit Podcast is a series of conversations with writers about writing, hosted by Jonathan Rogers. This week, Jonathan Rogers talks with Crystal Downing, Director of the Marion E. Wade Center at Wheaton College and author of Subversive: Christ, Culture, and the Shocking Dorothy Sayers.

Jonathan Rogers and Crystal Downing discuss the danger of Christian celebrity, the strategy of shock in Dorothy Sayers’ work, and the subversion at the very heart of the Christian faith.

Transcripts are now available for The Habit Podcast. Click here to access them.

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